And now that we're sort of just on the other side of that. The Bad Show Publication date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:00:00 +0000 We wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Go. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think, you know, when you are enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, what is greater and what is good? That's correct. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". The whole thing happened serveral years ago. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? [inaudible 00:06:31], Well not horrified, it was I pretty stunned. Even when they go along with the experiment-. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. He is a solder, he works for a general, the general's name is Othello. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" Each answer just begs another why. Even now. So, I broke up with him. And is found by her son. When did he live, and what did he look and that kind of stuff? And oddly enough, we came- got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy. Is that nitrogen is [tryvalent 00:31:48]. And I used to socialize with him and- and his wife. In other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. No. There's a sort of chilling comparison which is a speech that Himmler gave to some SS leaders when they were about to commit a range of atrocities. "From this time forth, I never will speak a word." I'm really proud of Job, he believes in me, and he trusts me in so much, and he has such great faith in me. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. And 91% of the men said yes. When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. Just give me your finger, [crosstalk 00:09:28] I'm going to-. 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. When you needed to stop for breath, your hand ran light and steady. The most common source of nitrogen is in the air around us. James Shapiro, professor of English at Columbia University. I mean-. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to basically issue an order that says there shall be no Jews in the civil service. I'm going to resign.". Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. Despite the chlorine gas. Obedience droops to about 40 percent [inaudible 00:15:40]. But harbor saw it as a wonderful success, and wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it, because he felt they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. By the ocean of breath twice, I remember I carried your oxygen. Why did you take these women off the streets and wanted to destroy them? At high temperature. She was actually a sort of a genius herself. 10s, 10, 15, 20 times. So these are some word pairs. Hmm. That's radio producer Ben Walker. ", "Set deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench, you quench with their tears. The son eventually after he immigrates to America kills himself. We've got to know now. But if you think that's the right thing. Is that like a- like a green cloud? He would obscure. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". But if they were prepared to do that, when I suspect a lot of them would, then we'd say, "These are people who really believe in science, and isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society, who are willing to make sacrifices-. Um, with a black belt in karate. He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. So, right around 1900. So, wait, if it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-. And not just because he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. Let me just get that out. But Haber saw it as a wonderful success and wished- wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it because he felt like they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. This is what totally pulled me into the story. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. And that's what Shakespeare did in all of his plays. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, Actually two nations in South America went to war-. Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. Prosecution, [crosstalk 00:12:03] the Attorney General. "Do you think that more studies of this sort should be carried out?" The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. In December of 2001, my father and his colleagues-. Yeah. Some- some people described it as a cloud, and then, others described it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land. And he says, "That's what people wanted. And I designed a little, um, questionnaire where I simply ask the students, you know, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" We, as- as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of god-like, uh, sort of vision of, like, well of course what they're doing is wrong. No. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. These violent delights tienen fin violento. Let me- let me jump just, uh, a quote in front of me. The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". They've got a very plausible, very credible, high status scientist at high status scientific institution. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. There's a lot of black and white thinking happening right now. But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. Is that- is that nitrogen is trivalent. We have kids in the- in the room. Science. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. And when you stick a seed like weed seed in the ground-. So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. Before the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess, "I heartily regret the fact that I killed the young maiden or defamed the king." It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Finally acknowledging, "Yeah, that's true." Podcast Transcripts of Radiolab Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. He's bald, he has a potbelly, he has these pince-nez spectacles, he's chomping on a Virginian cigar, he was always smoking these Virginian cigars and he's wearing a fur coat. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? So you don't know? A hero. Who are you?". Necrophilia. I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. Just because of a mathematical summing up. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. And they would circle yes or no. The good Iago who makes you want to shower the minute you leave the theater 'cause you are sullied by him. And to this day they have not talked about that day. He won't answer me or nothing. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. You know, solar energy from the sun to grow crops. Hey wait! No. Those who could still breathe would turn blue. So, let me just get that ov- I mean-, So, again, the baseline study is the one where 65% of the volunteers-. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. ", Yeah, we just need a whole lot more of one simple-. And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. Right now get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using Code Radiolab at checkout. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. Yeah, I agree with that. connect it to this little electrode to your finger. He had an attack or something there. Yeah, but those are fantasies, they're some of them actually seem like-, Okay, this is a 20 year old female. "Well why can't you deal with it in a normal way?". They start disagreeing with each other. And according to some accounts, as it crept across no man's land-. The participants, you know, they're not- it's not- it's not just blind obedience. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. Their goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you. He seemed calm. Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. So, every day they would bring him into this conference room. Sap in the next room just because they were being told to? His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society, he could do anything. Any time the experimenter said, "You must continue" the shocker would say, "Hell no, I don't.". Okay. Thousands of people have done it before you. In fact we hate being told. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. ", Meanwhile, later that night on the other side of town-. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And it's moving in about one meter per second. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. I'm going to give you a little, uh (laughing). She just burst my eardrums (laughs). And it's moving at about one meter per second. We're all great apes. And so, we've decided that it's time to go back to something we did once upon a time when we were wondering about good and bad. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". In case you've never heard of this, probably have, but in case you haven't, here's what he did. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Horrified like, "Oh my God, my students are murderers?" So read these words that you see here. ", Yeah, so here's the interesting thing. And they go, "Why?" His wife, um, went into hiding. Many of them after they were murdered. Okay, one of those very tiny old fashioned pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. ", Now you're saying actually that you could read that very dark fact as being actually evidence of something quite-, Well if you dressed up, and if you just had some minor variance to the paradigm you could, presumably, make this up. The experiment requires that we continue. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some Radiolab credit. We were just enacting an old very famous experiment you may have heard about. Said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone?". It is a fair question to ask, "What are the conditions under which you, or me, or any of us could do-. How could you? Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". 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